Creative, free-thinking at its very best. Thanks for sharing this Jeff. Martina is clearly a huge talent and wish her well as she spreads these thoughts and ideas to wider audiences perhaps by other even more prolific podcasters.
Trevor, thank you :) And you have some responsibility for this being here in the first place — you were the one who told me to send it to Jeffrey!
So thank you for that little push as well.
After working on all of this quietly for so long, I have finally started putting it out into the world. I even opened my Substack today :) So I guess there is no hiding now…
Some very sound ideas, especially the voluntary, rather than mandatory relationship to expand capacity and the return of capacity to the lower levels. If only the higher levels would cooperate with this, life could be much more enjoyable and rewarding. Thanks for sharing this article Jeff.
Thank you. And yes, you picked up on something that is really central to the whole thing for me — the relationship needs to increase capacity without taking away the agency of the individual parts.
That question keeps appearing everywhere I look, not only in economics. And it is probably one of the main reasons I started pulling all these pieces together in the first place.
This is top stuff - did i miss a link to Martina's substack/website?
The idea of looking at the whole thing from a different perspective must be where we have to start if we are going to effect change for the better for all, and Martina's hit it out of the park twice here - once on the state v private debate and then reframing the question and debate: we NEED to collaborate for the bigger stuff, so how do we ensure that individuals and households and villages, etc. don't lose their independence and power?
I take issue with just one vector though - in this sane world of the near-future, there will be no need to us all to club together to fight wars or deal with crises, 99% of which are manufactured by those who only want a massive, macro system with no underlying individuals or villages with any agency at all.
Obviously that is doomed to collapse but smart people need to be ready with solutions when everyone's gone feral for a while.
Thank you :) And no, you didn’t miss it — there wasn’t one when you wrote your comment!
But there is now. :) I actually set up my Substack today and will start sharing the work there.
In a way you arrived right at the beginning. Until now most of this has been quietly developing in the background, and Jeffrey’s article was really the first step of letting it out into the world.
And thank you for asking where to find me — that was actually a very useful nudge to get the door open. :)
Anything that sounds like a potential way to an actual solution or group of them should always be amplified.
So a piece for the paper when you’re ready would be most welcome.
I don’t know if you’ve read Clive Menzies’ recent two articles in The Light on a new type of economy - not the same thing but also coming at it from a change of philosophical attitude towards HOW we do the economy, which is the only question anyone raises as soon as you bring up a new way of organising our societies.
And yes, the HOW is always the first question people ask me: how would this actually work?
Perhaps what matters is that I am not only developing the Spiral Framework as an idea. I am testing it in real life, at very different scales.
We are applying it within a healthcare organisation, and also in the development of a venture capital organisation that will specialise in recovering what I call open-loop resources: waste, toxins, oil pollution and other materials that have been taken out of relationship, used, and then left somewhere else as harm.
The possibility is not simply to dispose of them more responsibly, but to transform them and bring their useful capacity back into the economy... creating, potentially, a higher-order system from what had previously been seen only as waste.
Sustainability is the familiar word for this, but within the Spiral Framework it becomes something more precise: the closing of a loop, so that value and capacity can return rather than being extracted and abandoned.
And I am living the same inquiry personally. I use the framework to structure my data and memory, not as a linear archive, but as something cyclical that can be returned to, related differently, and transformed. I am also designing my physical home through the framework, in a project I call Spiral Sanctuary.
So when people ask me how it works, I have begun giving them Spiral Stories in which they become the protagonist. We start with something real in their own life, and the story lets them experience what changes when the relationships become visible: where capacity is held, where it has stopped moving, what can return, and what they themselves may be able to generate.
Perhaps that is the doorway into a piece for The Light... not beginning with another theory of the economy, but with an ordinary human life, and allowing the larger pattern to reveal itself from there.
I have also found Clive’s two pieces and will read them properly. I am curious to see where the approaches meet, where they differ, and what that difference might open.
' We start with something real in their own life, and the story lets them experience what changes when the relationships become visible: where capacity is held, where it has stopped moving, what can return, and what they themselves may be able to generate.'
That's the article right there, you nailed it.
Email when ready on a word doc type attachment (odt is fine) using no more than 1,200 words and if you want to include links and references you can of course.
Creative, free-thinking at its very best. Thanks for sharing this Jeff. Martina is clearly a huge talent and wish her well as she spreads these thoughts and ideas to wider audiences perhaps by other even more prolific podcasters.
Trevor, thank you :) And you have some responsibility for this being here in the first place — you were the one who told me to send it to Jeffrey!
So thank you for that little push as well.
After working on all of this quietly for so long, I have finally started putting it out into the world. I even opened my Substack today :) So I guess there is no hiding now…
Some very sound ideas, especially the voluntary, rather than mandatory relationship to expand capacity and the return of capacity to the lower levels. If only the higher levels would cooperate with this, life could be much more enjoyable and rewarding. Thanks for sharing this article Jeff.
Thank you. And yes, you picked up on something that is really central to the whole thing for me — the relationship needs to increase capacity without taking away the agency of the individual parts.
That question keeps appearing everywhere I look, not only in economics. And it is probably one of the main reasons I started pulling all these pieces together in the first place.
Really glad that came through in the article. :)
Thanks for sharing your ideas, hopefully they will go mainstream.
This is top stuff - did i miss a link to Martina's substack/website?
The idea of looking at the whole thing from a different perspective must be where we have to start if we are going to effect change for the better for all, and Martina's hit it out of the park twice here - once on the state v private debate and then reframing the question and debate: we NEED to collaborate for the bigger stuff, so how do we ensure that individuals and households and villages, etc. don't lose their independence and power?
I take issue with just one vector though - in this sane world of the near-future, there will be no need to us all to club together to fight wars or deal with crises, 99% of which are manufactured by those who only want a massive, macro system with no underlying individuals or villages with any agency at all.
Obviously that is doomed to collapse but smart people need to be ready with solutions when everyone's gone feral for a while.
Peace :-)
Thank you :) And no, you didn’t miss it — there wasn’t one when you wrote your comment!
But there is now. :) I actually set up my Substack today and will start sharing the work there.
In a way you arrived right at the beginning. Until now most of this has been quietly developing in the background, and Jeffrey’s article was really the first step of letting it out into the world.
And thank you for asking where to find me — that was actually a very useful nudge to get the door open. :)
You’re very welcome, and we’d love to learn more.
Anything that sounds like a potential way to an actual solution or group of them should always be amplified.
So a piece for the paper when you’re ready would be most welcome.
I don’t know if you’ve read Clive Menzies’ recent two articles in The Light on a new type of economy - not the same thing but also coming at it from a change of philosophical attitude towards HOW we do the economy, which is the only question anyone raises as soon as you bring up a new way of organising our societies.
Peace,
Darren :-) x
Thank you, Darren...
And yes, the HOW is always the first question people ask me: how would this actually work?
Perhaps what matters is that I am not only developing the Spiral Framework as an idea. I am testing it in real life, at very different scales.
We are applying it within a healthcare organisation, and also in the development of a venture capital organisation that will specialise in recovering what I call open-loop resources: waste, toxins, oil pollution and other materials that have been taken out of relationship, used, and then left somewhere else as harm.
The possibility is not simply to dispose of them more responsibly, but to transform them and bring their useful capacity back into the economy... creating, potentially, a higher-order system from what had previously been seen only as waste.
Sustainability is the familiar word for this, but within the Spiral Framework it becomes something more precise: the closing of a loop, so that value and capacity can return rather than being extracted and abandoned.
And I am living the same inquiry personally. I use the framework to structure my data and memory, not as a linear archive, but as something cyclical that can be returned to, related differently, and transformed. I am also designing my physical home through the framework, in a project I call Spiral Sanctuary.
So when people ask me how it works, I have begun giving them Spiral Stories in which they become the protagonist. We start with something real in their own life, and the story lets them experience what changes when the relationships become visible: where capacity is held, where it has stopped moving, what can return, and what they themselves may be able to generate.
Perhaps that is the doorway into a piece for The Light... not beginning with another theory of the economy, but with an ordinary human life, and allowing the larger pattern to reveal itself from there.
I have also found Clive’s two pieces and will read them properly. I am curious to see where the approaches meet, where they differ, and what that difference might open.
Thank you for the invitation, Darren.
Peace,
Martina :-) x
' We start with something real in their own life, and the story lets them experience what changes when the relationships become visible: where capacity is held, where it has stopped moving, what can return, and what they themselves may be able to generate.'
That's the article right there, you nailed it.
Email when ready on a word doc type attachment (odt is fine) using no more than 1,200 words and if you want to include links and references you can of course.
Thank you!
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This is indeed a new era of thinking.